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miss maggie ([personal profile] bossymarmalade) wrote2009-03-03 12:36 pm

the point is: by *my* standards, i won fair and square

So Kathryn Cramer says that all people who use web aliases are criminals, because the only reason to have a pseudonym is to feel more free to act in horrible ways on the internet.

Then she moves her post around, misdirects the links, and posts [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink's full name on her blog. Which is, as we all know, a horrible way to act on the internet.

Then Will Shetterly decides to:
- also out [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink and then demand apologies and praise from her when he does the bare minimum of taking down her surname
- use results from a google search about India to speculate on [livejournal.com profile] deepad's life situations, and quotes from Gandhi to supposedly enforce his "point"

Then his wife Emma Bull gets stroppy at somebody who's concerned about Shetterly having access to their personal info and starts lecturing about how it's unfair to judge him only by the horrible way he's acted the internet.

Then Elizabeth Bear runs around telling people (LIKE DEEPA HERSELF, WTF) that Will is actually so nice in real life, it's just ... he feels free to act in horrible ways on the internet.

Somebody is failing hard here.

And please note that Shetterly and Cramer and Co. have now reimagined the entire point of RaceFail 09 to be about internet pseudonymity instead of representations of race. Their insistence on focusing on the activities of white allies, repeatedly attempting to spread the meme that all of their critics are "East-coast upper-class Ivy Leaguers" (read: white), is yet another cowardly and slimy attempt to erase the presence of chromatic people in this discussion. We saw it when mac_stone and medievalist and Bear tried to pretend that there was a "maximum of twenty" disgruntled people, we're seeing it again with this fiction that internet fucking pseudonyms are the crux of the matter. They've realized that they can't attack fen of colour and still look like heroes, so they're trying to find some other way to imagine the Enemy.

Although, if you recall Cramer's original post wherein she posited that using her real name was proof that she indeed was, as she claimed to be, a "slim blonde woman in upstate NY" instead of a "fat black man in the Arizona desert", you'll see that they're still not doing so good at hiding their racism.

[livejournal.com profile] spiralsheep's suggestion that as a community we shun them is the one I'm following. I hope never to have cause to mention them in my journal again (and that goes for Elizabeth Bear too, who has often been held up as some sort of "voice of reason" in RaceFail but whose constant apologist behaviour for her douchey friends and false iteration of "bad behaviour on both sides" says something quite different).

[identity profile] yeloson.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
It's so funny how much effort the ones claiming "secrecy is for evil" are going about in hiding their own words and actions...

[identity profile] kadymae.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
because the only reason to have a pseudonym is to feel more free to act in horrible ways on the internet.

Because Shetterly et all certainly prove that using your real name is the bar to shitwittery and asshattism.

[identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks for living up to every, single, solitary, stereotype of SFF types in the wild and then some, RaceFail Volken; at this point "Cat Piss Men" is far too kind an epithet. And if Elizabeth "I'm not actually white 'cos my ex-husband was part Cherokee" Bear is a "voice of reason" in all this then I'm Luna Batuna, the Crown Princess of Mars.

[identity profile] sparkymonster.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Although, if you recall Cramer's original post wherein she posited that using her real name was proof that she indeed was, as she claimed to be, a "slim blonde woman in upstate NY" instead of a "fat black man in the Arizona desert", you'll see that they're still not doing so good at hiding their racism.

She password protected her entire journal/site. Google cache still rules.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Fdrn57fDzAMJ:www.kathryncramer.com/kathryn_cramer/2009/02/poems-about-internet-pseudonymity.html+kathryn+cramer+pseudonymity&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a

As does screencapping
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d17/starkeymonster/Pseudonym/3-3-20094-48-21PM.png
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[identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
No, she's not white because she was raised by pagan lesbians. Get it right! >:0!

[identity profile] robanybody.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I read all of that yesterday and felt sick to my stomach at how people who stood up for themselves were dismissed, demonized, or condescended to, and the entire direction of RaceFail 09 was said to be about internet anonymity. I am amazed that any one of these people can defend their disgusting, racist, troll-like behavior as acceptable simply because they're married to them or they're nice in real life or they use their real name on the internet.

I'm sad for those people who were fans of these authors and got to find out just how white and shiny and huge their asses are. I'm planning on never having anything to do with these people in any capacity, and hopefully, others will shun them for their complete failure as human beings.
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[identity profile] itsbeenvery.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Their insistence on focusing on the activities of white allies

THE THROWING UP, IT WILL NOT STOP.

ITA on the ignoring, as they don't appear to have anything worthwhile to contribute to main topic, and reading them as they continue masturbating to the idea that they're personally saving PoCs from themselves is not a newsletter I'm interested in subscribing to.

[identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
The part-Cherokee (of course Cherokee) ex-husband got waved around at some point as well. Maybe it's like collecting green stamps, you paste enough Get Out of Caucasian Ancestry Free points in the little trading book and you can redeem it for a free copy of The White Negro or something?

[identity profile] kadymae.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Her ex husband is a long time customer at my husband's store.

I had no idea he was part Cherokee.
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[identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
You may be on to something! I bet one of them is "I have black friends".
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[identity profile] abydosangel.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
They've realized that they can't attack fen of colour and still look like heroes, so they're trying to find some other way to imagine the Enemy.

You just sliced right through the Gordian Knot of Fail. This needs to be repeated EVERYWHERE.
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[identity profile] kyuuketsukirui.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I had managed to totally block from my mind the "slim blonde woman" thing! D: Nice to know she's as fatphobic as she is racist.

It boggles my mind every time I think of how these people have turned a discussion that was weeks old by the time the NHs joined the party on the failboat (I'm imagining it like those commercials for cruise ships) to somehow be all about the NHs and pseudonyms. At first it could be put down to ignorance if you wanted to be charitable (big if), but at this point, there is no way it is not deliberate. "[T]rying to find some other way to imagine the Enemy" indeed.

[identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps he doesn't either, at this point you never know.
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[identity profile] skywardprodigal.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
This. Right here. They are doing it to punish white people that dare speak up about racism or back a person of color's reading of a situation that goes, "Racism. You're doing it here."

[identity profile] indirajames.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
But, I thought science fiction and fantasy were the genres of progress and open-mindedness! I am shocked...shocked! etc.

I would have never bought their books before anyway, but now I'm going to tell anyone I can not to.

This 'but they're so nice in real life!' bullshit is just beautiful. The internet apparently has nothing to do with real life. It's the Matrix!

[identity profile] indirajames.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
And, is it okay if I link to this post in my journal?
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[identity profile] skywardprodigal.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
And please note that Shetterly and Cramer and Co. have now reimagined the entire point of RaceFail 09 to be about internet pseudonymity instead of representations of race. Their insistence on focusing on the activities of white allies, repeatedly attempting to spread the meme that all of their critics are "East-coast upper-class Ivy Leaguers", is yet another cowardly and slimy attempt to erase the presence of chromatic people in this discussion. We saw it when mac_stone and medievalist and Bear tried to pretend that there was a "maximum of twenty" disgruntled people, we're seeing it again with this fiction that internet fucking pseudonyms are the crux of the matter.

Thank you.

This began as a discussion and the racist attacks on deepad and Avalon's Willow by supporters of Elizabeth Bear and-- by proxy-- people who critisized the writing of Bear and other white writers who attempted to write people that white folks traditionally other in print and visual media and were not successful is the problem known as Racefail09.

[identity profile] kadymae.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll ask next time I see him.

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[identity profile] bossymarmalade.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely, my little piroshki!
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[identity profile] nextian.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
She's not white! She's ecru. (http://ecrubychoice.livejournal.com)

[identity profile] leesalogic.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I was thinking the same thing myself. Very eyebrow raising.

[identity profile] tammylee.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, so now we're to the point where those who speak out will be Named and in their Naming shall be implicitly targeted for persecution.

No matter how the Namers might protest, the posting of someone's real name on the Internet is an encouragement to do damage to that person off-line.

Let's stir that mob up a bit and heck it isn't OUR fault if that darn Name gets fired, stalked, harassed, or beaten. Brought it on his/herself by speaking up. S/he ought to know their place.

[identity profile] leesalogic.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just sick reading about their behavior.

[identity profile] leesalogic.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
This is exactly what has me sick reading about this stuff. Cramer should be fired for her own horrible Internet behavior.

[identity profile] i-naiad.livejournal.com 2009-03-03 11:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't believe they keep going and going and going. And yet I can.

Since I read [livejournal.com profile] coffeeandink's post yesterday I've been trying to think of a way to not have anything to do with Tor, but still support their writers of colour. The best I've been able to come up with is to borrow those authors from the library or buy their books second hand. I don't want to punish Tor authors specifically, but the level of inexcusable behaviour from people affiliated with them has tainted them permanently in my mind.

And if Elizabeth Bear thinks she's some how managing to restore her name with her current comments, then, well... I had been planning to read Shadow Unit when I found the time, now I'm not going anywhere near it.

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