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miss maggie ([personal profile] bossymarmalade) wrote2009-09-11 10:10 am
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Here is what I learned in my first Hindi class yesterday: आपका नाम क्या है? Our professor has warned us that we are not to use Roman letters "on pain of public humiliation", so only Devanagari script. So far I only know those letters, heh. To be quite honest, I'm terrified of this entire thing; I've been taking classes that used the social-analysis bit of my brain for so long that trying to crank up the rote-learning bit is tough going. However, my dad seems delighted by this development and has now started talking to me in his gentle Trinidad-accented Hinglish, which is kind of ... new. And weird. He has also started writing his autobiography, or something, possibly in ruler-straight draftsman all-caps. But then my dad has always been a little wacky.

Also! This is but one of the reasons I love [personal profile] ciderpress so very much. My favourite part:
It is a mistake, a common one, to believe that the status quo, that 'normal thinking' is not a highly political ideology. It's a mistake to think that white-as-default views, male-as-default views, middle-class+ default views, economically privileged views, heteronormative views, able-bodied views, cisgendered views and opinions are pan-human rather than a particular politicised ideology about society and the people in it.

I foolishly volunteered to help put together a Diversity Workshop at work (the other three people in the group designing the workshop are white, ahahahah) and I might just steal this wholesale. I suspect there are folks to whom "Your POV as a White Woman is not Objective or Neutral" might be revolutionary.
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[personal profile] wintersweet 2009-09-11 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Part A: Yay language! Good luck; I hope you have someone with some second language pedagogy background.

Part B: Boy, was that a hard concept for our professor to communicate in my MA program--during the "teaching is inherently political; teaching English as an additional language even more so" some people were REALLY resistant. They felt that by not addressing any political/social topics, they weren't bringing sociopolitical issues into the classroom. But those issues are already there, in the teacher's own attitudes, assumptions, beliefs, and practices (and the subject matter! and the way the course is usually taught! and the textbook choice and content! and what's not in it! and who's in the class! and! and!). It was almost laughable that the loudest resister was the only white guy in our cohort. *headdesk* I almost quoted Rush at him ("if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice") but nothing got through to him anyway. I worry for his students. (And, you know, mine when I fail to think things through. Blurgh. Teaching is scary.)

Anyway, sounds potentially stressful, but good luck with the workshop!
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[personal profile] bravecows 2009-09-11 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
I suspect there are folks to whom "Your POV as a White Woman is not Objective or Neutral" might be revolutionary.

Hell, that's something I still have to fight against believing. Yay colonialism.

Good luck with your Hindi class! I love that your dad is talking to you in Hinglish. Non-standard Englishes rock!

[personal profile] ames 2009-09-11 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"Your POV as a White Woman is not Objective or Neutral"

And wow, is that something that is HARD to learn, and hard to keep learning, in any context. it's the whole "no one I know has a problem with blah blah blah" concept, which every time I say it, I have to remind myself that I knew very few people, when compared to the population of the ENTIRE WORLD. And that my personal group of people I know is not exactly the most diverse. And that my eyes are the eyes of a white woman, who is lesbian but benefits from scads of heterosexual privilege b/c of how I don't "look gay", and who - while I'm dirt poor atm - grew up staunchly middle class. Not everyone is me. Not everyone sees what I see, and I don't see what they see. ::headsmack::

I have no male friends! not a one - how did that happen? How am I ever to get their perspective on current events and the workings of my life? OH WAIT. Yeah, I think I'm set on that.


Hindi is a gorgeous written language - it's got such a nice flow! What does that first phrase mean? (I'm guessing something along the lines of "how are you" or "what is your name", things that I remember learning the first day of my French and Japanese classes.)
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[personal profile] duraflame 2009-09-11 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Good luck with learning Hindi!

Just a language learning tip, you might already do this and everyone knows about this and I'm just new to the WORLD, but reading children's books in your chosen language is a great way to learn the basics, because well, that's what they're made for. :D?
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[personal profile] glockgal 2009-09-11 07:13 pm (UTC)(link)
But what does it meeeaaaannnnn.

You never reply to my comments anymore. WHY IS THAT. AM I INANE. WHEN CAN I COME TO RICHMOND. *cries*
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[personal profile] glockgal 2009-09-11 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
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[personal profile] nextian 2009-09-11 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh, I can see those characters in my search box but not on the page. I wonder why Camino doesn't support Devangari.

Draftsman all-caps autobiographies are the best. For ease of artsy printing!

[personal profile] pigtailedgirl 2009-09-11 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I love you and your links!

Is your Dad autobiographing for fun? I think my Dad would love something like that.
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[personal profile] dancesontrains 2009-09-11 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad I could still read that sentence; I'm supposed to be bilingual, but it's more like English + Hindi that sounds like it was learned as a third language these days. Perhaps I should take lessons as well?

Good luck! *\o/*
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[personal profile] cathybites 2009-09-11 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
whenever I think of your subject line, I remember with SHAME the theater by where Sarah and I lived in Laurel. SHAME.

aaaaand! I can't see what you've written! or, it only shows up as question marks. STUPID MACS.

I suspect there are folks to whom "Your POV as a White Woman is not Objective or Neutral" might be revolutionary.

Be sure to have plenty of tissues on hand for the Nice White Ladies when their world is rocked.
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[personal profile] feuervogel 2009-09-11 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It works on my Mac... Firefox with autodetect encoding.
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[personal profile] cathybites 2009-09-11 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
no, still not working. Although, I see it in Safari, so I'm guessing it's a Firefox issue I'm having instead. ALAS.
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[personal profile] goss 2009-09-12 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
EEE! I READ IT AND KNOW WHAT IT MEEEEEANS! I am way too excited about this, aren't I? :b

I just started teaching Hindi last week to Form 1 students and it's been quite challenging already (I'm only in the toddler stage of Hindi myself). I've been trying to think up ways of making the initial classes not too overwhelming for the poor kids. That thing you mentioned about the Roman script is SO TRUE. It's a crutch against learning, it really is. From the time I forced myself to stop using it, my brain just started firing and making the symbol-to-sound connections all on it's own.

It's so fantastic that you're giving it a go. Gives me encouragement to keep at my own classes as well! :)
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[personal profile] callmesandyk 2009-09-12 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
Yay Hindi! Your teacher sounds good!

The worst brain in gear language story I have is when I got back from studying in Beijing for six months, I foolishly took a French class that first semester back. Nine years of French and I suddenly had a Beijing accent (for my french!) and for things like numbers I would go first to Mandarin and then to French in some weird translation brain thing. I decided to make that French class pass/fail.

I suspect there are folks to whom "Your POV as a White Woman is not Objective or Neutral" might be revolutionary. Only suspect? I think you can be sure. :(

[personal profile] chootoy 2009-09-12 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
Oh goodness. That's so awesome! You must show&tell me everything you learn.

::excited about second language lurnin'::

Good luck with the Diversity gong show Workshop.
I hope the ones that have to, get it...

[personal profile] chootoy 2009-09-12 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
PS. I hope your Beatles weekend is a blast!! *smooch*
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[personal profile] torachan 2009-09-12 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
Good luck with the Hindi!

When I first started learning Japanese, we did use romaji for a bit, but it was a very short time compared to many other Japanese courses I've seen. My teacher was really hardcore with hiragana and katakana and we had flashcard drills every day and after a few weeks, if you weren't able to do 60 cards in 60 seconds, he made you drop the class. It was really good motivation! And I've always been grateful for that, because I do think it helped me get really quickly to the point where reading Japanese felt as natural as reading English (even if at that time I couldn't always understand the vocab and grammar and such).

Some courses spend soooo long teaching the scripts, especially high school level (which is of course always much slower, but still). I've heard people say their teachers took months or even the whole semester just to teach hiragana, whereas I learned both hiragana and katakana in a couple weeks.
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[personal profile] colorblue 2009-09-12 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
मेरा नाम सइ है. आपका नाम क्या है?

Can you speak some Hindi already, or will it all be completely new?

I foolishly volunteered to help put together a Diversity Workshop at work (the other three people in the group designing the workshop are white, ahahahah)

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[identity profile] 2009-09-12 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
my first Hindi class yesterday

OOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!! i'm so excited for you! i may have to go eat some laddu in celebration, or something.

"Your POV as a White Woman is not Objective or Neutral"

I see... heads... exploding...
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[personal profile] brownbetty 2009-09-13 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I am glad to see my browser renders Devanagari script (what I presume is) correctly.
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[personal profile] susanreads 2009-09-13 10:56 am (UTC)(link)
Mine too! It can't read anything from further East, though (and the laptop is second-hand, so I don't have the original discs which are required to activate more script extensions :( )