now that's market research you can take to the bank -- the *money* bank

[bossymarmalade]

So!

linkspam will get you up-to-date if you haven't been following the whole Ogi crap-psych survey fooferaw. For those of you who have been avidly reading the "neuroscientists" commenting with condescending amazement when they learn that:
- many fanfic writers are PROFESSIONAL writers!
- many fandom people are ACADEMICS and know about ethics and methodology!
- many fanfic writers know what a WORD COUNT is!

-- not to mention their astonishment when people who are multiracial/asexual/non-American etc. point out that many of the questions do not apply or are just plain offensive and stupid, you might be interested in checking out the blog of Ogi's compatriot, saigaddam. In it you will find many enlightening posts! My favourites are:
- when he refers to a woman as a dog
- when he makes one of those dreadful (I'm Indian, I recognize this brand of prejudice well amongst my own) "If they made this movie about *black* people there would have been a protest!" posts
- along those same lines, he draws a derisive comparison between white teenage girl Jonas Brothers fans and black adult female Obama supporters

And my personal favourite, the post where he says that men are stimulated by only visuals, refers to Hollywood whitewashing as an "artistic exaggeration", and refers to gay men as either "lads with different interests" or "NAMBLA members".

So you know, the next time shaggirl wants to scold us for having what she sniffs is a "knee-jerk reaction to close ranks against researchers" after she's expressly directed them our way, she can goddamn well shove it.

Comments

[violetisblue]

I'm just glad I never wasted my time with crack_van before this, is all I can say.

[bossymarmalade]

Have you ever looked at the actual crack_van journal? It creeps me out, to tell you the truth.

[violetisblue]

Yes, and me too, a lot. That's actually the original reason I avoided the place.

[ex_wicker969]

... on the dog one, I think it's the black-and-white dog he's talking about. Not the woman. But I could be way too optimistic.

On the GK, he doesn't even deserve to be in the same blog post as Reyes. And just two episodes? I hope he watched the rest, so he could get something of the bigger picture out of it, but maybe he just couldn't get past the eye candy.

I always thought guys this offensive were doing it on purpose.

[bossymarmalade]

I would've given him the benefit of the doubt on the dog one, but after all of the posts about how teenage girls are the bottom of the barrel and how ladyporn is SO DIFFERENT from manporn, I am out of passes!

maybe he just couldn't get past the eye candy

GASP! Are you hinting that he might be a *different* sort of lad/a member of NAMBLA?

[ex_wicker969]

GASP! Are you hinting that he might be a *different* sort of lad/a member of NAMBLA?

I would, but I don't wish him on anybody, not even NAMBLA.

[jonquil]

legionseagle clued me: Dr. Ogas continues to respond in shaggirl's earlier posts. See esp.

http://shaggirl.livejournal.com/190853.html?thread=3032197#t3032197

ogi_ogas: "We're not doing social research." "We're not studying fandom on an academic level; nevertheless, we did speak to people who were (not many, I admit)."

http://shaggirl.livejournal.com/186106.html?thread=3043322#t3043322

[bossymarmalade]

WTF

How exactly the fuck can one whip out neuroscience credentials to perform a study a social phenomenon like fandom/fanfic writing and NOT BE DOING ACADEMIC, SOCIAL RESEARCH? What is this then? An ice cream social?

[sparkymonster]

Your lady brain and your tendencies to engage in female activities prevents you from understanding the male way in which they are doing things. I know it's confusing to you, that's why the nice men explain everything to you.

[bossymarmalade]

Oh, hi, Sparky! I hear you are a librarian at Harvard. Congratulations on being academically employed! I'm sure that must have taken a lot of hard work and a true love of books!! I hear that ladybrains enjoy words.

[sparkymonster]

I am not yet a librarian (i'm still in school) but I'm working on it! I feel like the clueless newbie of librarianship right now.

[marina]

I LOL'd IRL

[jonquil]

It's a fan dance. Sometimes their academic credentials are behind them, sometimes they are in front.

This also explains the frequent ass-showing, because they are not very good fan-dancers.

[delux-vivens.livejournal.com]

It's a fan dance. Sometimes their academic credentials are behind them, sometimes they are in front.

*ded*

[naraht]

Your link should be to an LJ account, not a DW one, I think. Thanks for the linkage!

[bossymarmalade]

D'oh! Thanks for the heads-up!

[hatestrafficlights]

Fuck. Now I'm even more pissed at shaggirl.

[bossymarmalade]

I just -- how in the WORLD could anybody think this would be a good thing for fandom? After all of the endless meta discussions we've had about binaries and marginalization and sexuality and being viewed as freaks by outsiders? After the numerous times we've rebuffed people who want to sweep in and "study" fandom and pathologize and deride us for being (largely) women who are into the things we're into? FUCK THAT.

[phosfate]

This isn't even studying. This is harmful, bogus bullshit on the level of UFO 'researchers' exploiting traumatized women, or Jim Carrey writing about the evils of childhood vaccinations.

[bossymarmalade]

At first I thought it was just misguided, but the more I saw how they actually *interact* with people (and the patronizing comments whenever anybody identifies as a published writer and/or academic), the angrier I got.

Did you see the quote from Ogi in shaggirl's post, the "One thing I've learned about research though: the harder it is, the more likely you'll be the first to discover something interesting" one? The amount of sexist ethnocentric fucking arrogance in that is STAGGERING.

[fridgepunk]

They stick a "Dr." in front of their names - that pretty much means they don't get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to not just bad, but potentially harmful, science they try to do.

With great alphabet spaghetti, comes great responsiblity; and not understanding that no, OK!cupid style questionaries are not how you do behavioural science, and no, you can't work out encrocrinal neurochemistry by asking fandom stupid loaded questions, and yes, there's more than two sexes/gneders, and no, you cannot use data without permission or a signed release/consent form which provides the ability for test subjects.

As a bioscientist wiht an extensive background in psychology as well I want these weirdos away from both fandom and my academia with equal fervour.

[delux-vivens.livejournal.com]

If he rolls to deadbro with this shit he'll learn something interesting, all right.

[hatestrafficlights]

I think she got too caught up in her little comm being the focus of some outside-fandom attention and her brain shut off because of it. Or at least, that's the best and nicest damn excuse I can come up with right now. And the brain still seems to be off now, since she's going into butthurt defensive mode and randomly accusing us of all being a bunch of downers and anti-academics and I can only hope that when it comes back on she'll get how fucking stupid that all is.

...

One lives in hope.

[bossymarmalade]

I seriously don't understand her whole thing about fandom being anti-academic. HALF OF US *ARE* FUCKING ACADEMICS.

Also, her "if we don't contribute, they'll get it all wrong! why won't you be part of the solution" thing is nonsense. If I as a member of a marginalized group answer a bunch of questions that come from a privileged outsider pov, do not adequately provide space for my circumstances, and whose data can then be interpreted *however the fuck the researchers want* without my permission or input or even an age check? That is NOT any sort of empowerment for me. That's exploitation, straight up.

[phosfate]

Our contributing will not make their science any better. Our contributing will add to their already massive hidden dragon hoarde of stupid.

[phosfate]

I agree. A simple "Oopsy, my bad?" Much harder than "OMG WHY YOU GOTTA HATE SCIENCE?"

[cathybites]

The whole survey thing was annoying on its own, but shaggirl's blithe disregard for the concerns everyone has about it is what really aggravates me. Especially the way she waves around her ownership of crack_van like we should all bow down to her for creating it. I know it won't happen, but I would LOVE for everyone to leave the comm and see where that leaves her.

[bossymarmalade]

WHAT? You're so ungrateful! She created and maintains it and she does it all out of LOVE FOR FANDOM (despite the fact that she's only read a handful of the stories recced)! So if she wants to open the door to some skeevy pals who just want to innocently sell their book about how women who write slash all want to be men and marry fictional characters and have icons of guys and rape fantasies and failed their SATs, SHE'S NOT GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.

[cathybites]

I'm sorry to go off-topic, but I kept picturing you saying all this, complete with facial expressions and eyerolling, and it fills me with glee. and makes me miss you.

[chalcopyrite]

Well, I'm really glad that we have men around to tell us what our thoughts and mtivations are. Because, you know, us girls aren't good at understanding that sort of thing! They're *complicated* -- there are even numbers! You're all being silly bluestockings; if you carry on like this, no-one will marry you!

[bossymarmalade]

eeeep! And I had a strong fictional man all picked out to marry, too!

[phosfate]

Aslan! It's Aslan! Say it's Aslan!

[bossymarmalade]

AHAHAHHAAHHAHA! Oh, man, I needed that. *g*

[fridgepunk]

I feel bad about making Sai the top in my Ogi/Sai slashfic now :(

Is further slash4greatjustice a good idea? some Sai mpreg maybe?

[bossymarmalade]

Considering their general squickiness around the topic of m/m sex, I say mpreg is the VERY LEAST they deserve! ahahahahaha!

[lobelia321]

No, definitely bestiality. Sai/dog. Nothing less will do.

[tallycola.livejournal.com]

Oh man, I'm not clicking any of those links. Feh.

[bossymarmalade]

You're missing big fun! And by "fun" I mean HEAD EXPLODEY.

[delux-vivens.livejournal.com]

Who are these morons? Havent they had enough of being shown what they dont know about a topic they are supposed to be writing a book about oyet?

Also, does saigaddam know that Black folks can use the internet, and read his posts?

[jonquil]

Hello... objects, not subjects. Ditto (of course) transsexuals and other people who are not part of his tiny tiny worldview.

[prof_pangaea]

i assume he doesn't think there's anything wrong with this post, but it left me with my mouth hanging open. yes, a large group of grown black americans looking at barak obama with approval is just the same as a bunch of screaming white fourteen year olds excited at seeing the jonas brothers. so gullibly, endearingly human!

[bossymarmalade]

GOD THAT POST WAS NAUSEATING, WAS IT NOT?!?!?

That is the kind of inter-poc bigotry that makes me LIVID, because it's so fucking insidious and unaddressed. Shit like that needs to be taken care of.

[delux-vivens.livejournal.com]

he's got issues.

[delux-vivens.livejournal.com]

he has a blog (http://nonlineardroppings.blogspot.com/). it's very... special.

[prof_pangaea]

What do the people sitting in projector beam lit dark of the theater lust after? The stud with the expressive eyes and malleable facial expressions that constantly morph into quasi-equilibrium facets of love, stable barely long enough for us label before melting away? Or do they lust after the gorgeous girl who interestingly is often boringly attractive.

now i need a shirt that says QUASI-EQUILIBRIUM FACETS OF LOVE, because that phrase has been branded into my brain for eternity and i need to inflict it upon others so i don't have to suffer alone.

quasi equilibrium?

[(Anonymous)]

I rather liked Equilibrium, but that's just me!




--Delux

[softestbullet]

Wow. The dialogue in this fic is amazingly in-character.

[bossymarmalade]

I don't think he understands how black folks do anything, except play basketball and support Obama with their "gullible" and "childlike" ways.

... okay, I was aiming for sarcastic but typing that out just made me FUCKING ANGRY. aaaargh!

[phosfate]

It's a cortical thing; we wouldn't understand.

[delux-vivens.livejournal.com]

Well, that sums me up. Except where I dont do basketball. Is that where my slashing is like straight men getting off on transsexuals?

[elf]

This post has been included in a linkspam roundup.

[lobelia321]

Hahahaahah!! Closet, much?

Nambla Gaddambla.

But the one with the dog? *shakes self and rubs eyes*

Unbelievable.